For the first time ever, John Waldman interviews two FM influencers, Bob Steele & Roger Von Jouanne. Steele coached Von Jouanne early on in his life when Steele was the head coach at Southern Illinois University, and continued to be a huge inspiration for him. Steele has gone on to be a master coach consultant for USA Swimming. Von Jouanne became a former American record holder for the 200 Butterfly, and talks about his career as a life support analyst for the International Space Station Project. The pair discuss with Waldman what made their coaching-swimmer relationship work, and offer advice for swimmers and coaches on what aspects worked for them in their own personal goals and achievements.